Cloudcast.net gem about Cluster Ops Gap

15967Podcast juxtaposition can be magical.  In this case, I heard back-to-back sessions with pragmatic for cluster operations and then how developers are rebelling against infrastructure.

Last week, I was listening to Brian Gracely’s “Automatic DevOps” discussion with  John Troyer (CEO at TechReckoning, a community for IT pros) followed by his confusingly titled “operators” talk with Brandon Phillips (CTO at CoreOS).

John’s mid-recording comments really resonated with me:

At 16 minutes: “IT is going to be the master of many environments… If you have an environment is hybrid & multi-cloud, then you still need to care about infrastructure… we are going to be living with that for at least 10 years.”

At 18 minutes: “We need a layer that is cloud-like, devops-like and agile-like that can still be deployed in multiple places.  This middle layer, Cluster Ops, is really important because it’s the layer between the infrastructure and the app.”

The conversation with Brandon felt very different where the goal was to package everything “operator” into Kubernetes semantics including Kubernetes running itself.  This inception approach to running the cluster is irresistible within the community because the goal of the community is to stop having to worry about infrastructure.  [Brian – call me if you want to a do podcast of the counter point to self-hosted].

Infrastructure is hard and complex.  There’s good reason to limit how many people have to deal with that, but someone still has to deal with it.

I’m a big fan of container workloads generally and Kubernetes specifically as a way to help isolate application developers from infrastructure; consequently, it’s not designed to handle the messy infrastructure requirements that make Cluster Ops a challenge.  This is a good thing because complexity explodes when platforms expose infrastructure details.

For Kubernetes and similar, I believe that injecting too much infrastructure mess undermines the simplicity of the platform.

There’s a different type of platform needed for infrastructure aware cluster operations where automation needs to address complexity via composability.  That’s what RackN is building with open Digital Rebar: a the hybrid management layer that can consistently automate around infrastructure variation.

If you want to work with us to create system focused, infrastructure agnostic automation then take a look at the work we’ve been doing on underlay and cluster operations.

 

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